70s Phil Collins coulda been Cobham

[mja61]

Phil is one of my favorite drummers, not to mention singers/pop artists.

In my opinion, some of his best drumming can be found on "No Reply At All," "Cannot Believe It's True," "Abacab," and on Clapton's "August" album.

I love playing along with those Genesis tunes, and I remember working through those charts (out of the "Drumming Techniques of Phil Collins" book) back when I took lessons in grade school.

[Lorenzini]

Seconds Out has been in my rotation of CD's for 15 years! Phil is a very gifted musician!

[got_a_matchgrip]

Whaddup, fellas [& 'fellettes']

HUGE Gen / BX / PC fan here.

Also check out the early Gen albums Wind & Wuthering & Then There Were 3 - hauntingly, staggeringly beautiful pieces of work; AWA Trick of the Tail, Nursery Cryme, Foxtrot, Selling England By the Pound, Duke [awesome album ATT], Seconds Out [w fantastic work by Bruford on Cinemashow also].

AFA "progressive / epic / art rock," esp w a heavier "classical" vibe, & out of all those bands ATT, it is MHO that Gen was at the forefront of them all [Yes a close 2nd]. Their grandiose, huge "cathedral" sound & odd time sigs, & groove made for a great band. You either love em or ya hate em, depending upon yer tastes. Musically [compositionally] way ahead of most if not all of those prog bands back then.

They were 1 of the few more famous bands that successfully crossed over into pop such as Yes, Tull, Marillion, ELP, etc...Rush [AWA Kansas] was always a rock radio band despite leaning towards concept rock tunes in their early days, but they had a few "hits" from their beginnings to keep them on radio [Working Man, Fly By Night, Anthem, Beneath Between & Behind, In the End, 2112, etc], & altho I consider them a fave rock band ATT, Gen was way ahead both sonically AWA compositionally. [Remember, Neil was influenced by Phil AWA Cobham, Moonie, Giles, Brufe, White, CPalmer, Mick Mason, etc...prob a little Boz & Barrie in there too?!] ;-]

I have most of the early BX on vinyl [img]redface.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/cry.gif[/img] ;

Unorthodox Behaviour
Product
Livestock
Moroccan Roll
Masques [also w Chuck Burgi on some track]

& check Do They really Hurt [also some fantastic Mike Clark work, "DMZ!!"]; & Phil's grooving on Is There Anything About [title track to same-name album] is exemplary...

Also, don't forget that Phil is one of if not THE most successful drummers of all time in terms of both artistically AWA financiallly. That's not saying there are not "better" players out there, but it is what it says... [img]wink.gif[/img] In the context of all he did, it was considerable, formidable "talent."

Boomer, Bonzo, Lenny, a bit of BR, Weather R, a dash of Zappa, AWA some of the great English drummers in it ATT were a large influence on his playing...

Phil overall is a great drummer [AWA muso, singer, producer, engineer, businessman]... Most of his stuff is a blessing. I feel i was made a little the better because of his influence. [img]cool.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/thumbs_up.gif[/img]

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[Jean-Paul]

Woman in Chains by Tears for Fears with Oleta Adams singing and PC on drums [img]tongue.gif[/img]

[moosetication]

In the spirit of the OP's subject line, here's a classic piece of "70s Collins as Cobham." It's the first minute or so of Hate Zone from the 1977 Brand X release Morrocan Roll.

[benrand]

There was a GREAT vid of 70's Genesis flying around DD a while back, the quality was amazing.

The Genesis MAMA tour was filimed in the UK and there is a video of an entire ABACAB show that I don't think has made it to DVD.

The Slippermen medley with Chest and Phil has some of my all time favorite drumming, right after tihs medley, they go into the drum duet. Both of those guys were really working out. Phil at one point plays this quintuplet paradiddle thing that was way over my head at the time, spent a long time trying to figure that thing out.

I remember seeing this on MTV and I was totally blown away by Phil. I knew Chester had beaucoup chops and was a fantastic player, but Phil did all these little ghost notes, played a burning 6/8 (or does it go into 9/8?) ride pattern with his ride hand that I didn't tihnk anyone could do.

Still blows me away when I see it, I get chills. I have this on VHS somewhere. The whole concert is great. Chester had that huge Pearl double headed kit with the really deep snare. WHat a snare sound.

[got_a_matchgrip]

Ha ha, yeah 'teer, this thread has me going now too

I just love the mess outta that older grandiose Gen; Wind & Wuth, & Then There Were 3, Seconds Out, Duke, etc...pipe it through yer sound system & punch the gas pedal...your hair will stand on end like the older Memorex[?] commercial...

V - right you are, dood, my bad; i was going off the top of my head, hadn't listened to in eons...I dig Burgi too. Katz AW!

mja - altho i prefer the prog Gen, u r right about the pop stuff. Even tho a bit of it is "time-period specific" [politically correct for, to some, out of date], it was still mostly really hip stuff for the pop genre. Also, PC's grooves [AWA da ghost notes [img]wink.gif[/img] ] on those solo albums of his were always a highlight...

Da** you guys. Now I need the proverbial Gen-prog fix.
You cats are responsible for a full-blown Gen "fall off da wagon"/relapse/withdrawal...[I'll see ya's in "the meetings"]...

Cheers. [img]cool.gif[/img]

[benrand]

amazon link

It's for the MAMA tour on VHS. Very cheap...worth every penny.